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 Indigo vs Control4 
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Post Indigo vs Control4
Hi, I am new to this forum, and am very interested to proceed with Indigo running on a dedicated mac mini running 24/7. I was originally looking to go Control4 because of the nice integration into theater A/V control, direct link to security system like my GE Concord 4, and nice iPhone apps. The big downside to Control4 is my ability to make programming changes without paying someone for service/programming.
Question 1----- I cannot find on the forum how I can use indigo to directly control my GE Concord 4 security system (arm, arm away, disarm; and allow security sensor data to interact with indigo). Do I make a serial port connection? Any programming challenges?
Question 2------I would like to control a range of theater A/V components, both power on/off, and create iPhone remote control of the components via infrared or serial port connection or... Possible?
Question 3----- do I have to worry about any electrical interferance problems with Insteon? Remember I was originally looking at Control4 wich uses Zigbee wireless. I was also looking at z-wave via other controllers.

Can anyone help answer these questions to help me proceed with an indigo decision? thanks!


Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:41 am
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Post Re: Indigo vs Control4
First, you should understand that Control4 and Indigo are targeted to two completely different markets. Control4 systems are professionally installed and maintained with little or no direct configuration done by the end-user. The are also significantly more expensive and generally sacrifices end-user development, modification, and extension. So, these systems are generally sold as packaged solutions including all the parts, programming, etc.

Indigo is targeted at the do-it-yourself (DIY) market - where there are few installers and users are actively encouraged to develop and grow their systems, adding components as the need arises. A home automation system built by the user is significantly less expensive but requires more skill and patience to develop and maintain. DIY products such as Indigo and INSTEON, etc., are sold as components to build your own custom solution.

So, with that in mind, on to your questions:

1) Indigo can't directly control your security system. A plugin could be developed to interface with your system if it has a serial or network-based connection and available API. Our Plugin API has already been used to develop connections between Honeywell/Ademco VistaICM and DSC alarm panels so it's definitely doable. You just need to know Python or find someone to develop the plugin for you.
2) AV Control is possible using the Global Caché hardware and one of the Indigo plugins (here and here). There are also some users that have used the iRed software with the IRTrans hardware and used AppleScript to bridge the two.
3) INSTEON, like any power line carrier technology, can be effected by signal noise. The use of filtering devices on problematic devices will almost always solve problems although it can sometimes be a bit time consuming to find the source of signal issues. INSTEON isn't effected as adversely as, say, X10 because the protocol has retry, acknowledgement, and routing/hop counting built in. Many INSTEON devices are also now dual-band so they use both the power line and RF transports - which also increases reliability (an advantage over RF-only technologies like Z-Wave and Zigbee).

So, I think the first choice is this: do you want a system that's installed by a professional, maintained by someone else, but also gives you a single place to call when something goes wrong? Or do you want to develop and control the growth of your system yourself using building blocks from different sources?

This is the most important decision that requires careful thought, IMO.

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Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:27 am
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Post Re: Indigo vs Control4
Thanks Jay, very helpful! I'm not a programmer but with patience and the global cache, I could control mt theater. Im more concerned about controlling my GE Concord 4 alarm, and before I jump into Indigo, I will wait for the plugin to be developed. Any estimate on time? I would be willing to pay some money for the plugin...


Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:59 pm
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Post Re: Indigo vs Control4
You may find someone here on the forums that would develop the plugin for you (perhaps for a fee) but I should to be clear: we (Perceptive Automation) have no plans to do one for that alarm panel. To be perfectly honest your post was the first time I'd even heard of it.

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Post Re: Indigo vs Control4
I also have a newly installed GE Concord 4 and have the knowledge to develop plugins. Its a great panel but I wonder how many people are interested in interfacing with it? For myself, I really don't really see the need to interface with it. There is a nice iphone app for controlling the panel and I am planning on using an IOLinc so the security system can tell the lighting system when it's activated. I just don't see how to make any money from developing a plugin.


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Bump... did anyone ever go ahead with a GE Concord plugin? Personally, I don't need one (Ademco and DSC here) but I have a friend who has to replace his old, fried, Concord system with a new one - he doesn't want to change vendors because of his investment in wireless devices.

Anyone here have any ideas, suggestions on any special interface to order?


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